PubCrawl Podcast: Archetypes – Romance Narratives

This week Kelly and JJ (with surprise guest Beth Revis, New York Times bestselling author of the Across the Universe trilogy and Star Wars: Rebel Rising) continue their Summer of Archetypes series with ROMANCE NARRATIVES. If the conversation is a bit incoherent this week, it’s because JJ is—once again—podcasting from the road (this time San Diego Comic-Con). Kelly and JJ discuss their favorite types of romances and whether or not romantic narratives fall into a Conflict-based narrative or an Evolution-based narrative. Also, lots of tangents this week, sorry!

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Show Notes

  • Broadly speaking, there are two types of Romance Narratives: the Conflict Narrative and the Evolution Narrative
    • The Conflict Romance typically involves overcoming an obstacle: star-crossed lovers, unrequited love, etc. Typically the Conflict Romance involves some sort of external conflict, but not always.
    • The Evolution Romance features a story where the relationship between two people simple changes from one sort of relationship to a romantic one: friends-to-lovers, etc.
  • Of course, romances don’t strict fall into one category or another; the Enemies to Lovers trope might have elements of the Evolution Romance (e.g. Anne Shirley and Gilbert Blythe)

What We’re Working On

  • Kelly is currently in titling hell with a client manuscript
  • JJ is still working on her secret project

Books Discussed/What We’re Reading

Off-Menu Recommendations

What You’re Asking

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That’s all for this week! Next week we’ll continue our Summer of Archetypes, continuing with Romance tropes! As always if you have any questions, feel free to leave them in the comments below, send us an ask on Tumblr, or tweet using the hashtag #askpubcrawl!

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One Response to PubCrawl Podcast: Archetypes – Romance Narratives

  1. Cyn Vannoy Jul 27 2017 at 10:47 am #

    Another great podcast! Loved the discussion on the trends of both movies and books.
    I kind of wished you could have touched on earlier romcom movies like Phiadelphia or Bringing up Baby (sorry, K. Hepburn fan, so that’s where I go!) in addition to the more current (2000s) titles. But still a great discussion. I learned new things….”conflict” & “evolution” vs “meet-cute” etc.
    Strange that you should bring up titling, too. I just read a post from TheKillZone on that very subject! Such a tough one…and most writers don’t understand that it’s a problem for the agent as much as the writer! Can’t promote up the ladder with a bad title, right? Ugh. Best of luck on that endeavour!
    And when do we get to know more on JJ’s secret project?! (^_^)

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